Why do some people say they hated a book simply because they hated a character? Those are mutually exclusive things to me and I don’t get it.
I used the term “unlikeable” very loosely. So a character doesn’t do every single thing I would do? Does that make them someone to hate? If a woman has sex with someone who isn’t her husband, should we hate the book? Throw the character over a cliff?
I think there’s a difference between the character and character development. If I hate the main character, but that character is very well-developed, that can make for an especially compelling read.
The most important thing for me is being interested in a character, which usually comes with strong development, as Monika said. I’m often interested in really awful people, perhaps out of some morbid curiosity.
In fact, I usually find myself disliking books with characters that make me feel too comfortable. I often find them too sweet and their arcs unsurprising. But maybe this comes back around to why we read—some of us look for the comfort of familiar faces, places and situations while others open a book to experience something outside the norm.
And many of us mix it up between comfort reads and new/different experiences. I’m trying to imagine a character being so despicable or so boring that it affected my enjoyment of the book itself. But all of the examples I can think of were ultimately due to other issues: character development, overall premise, plot, etc.
I agree, ladies. I love a compelling character and more often I am compelled by the villainous, the disastrous, and the unfortunate rather than the sweet and normal. But I tend to read more confronting rather than comforting reads—possibly because I’m comforted by being confronted. But I think that’s another discussion.
Leave it to Roxane Gay to throw all of my feelings into two lines.
“I want characters to do the things I am afraid to do for fear of making myself more unlikable than I may already be. I want characters to be the most honest of all things — human.” – Roxane Gay
This goes back to what Jennifer started with, but when we talk about characters being “unlikable”, we rarely mean we dislike them. Aren’t we often saying they say or do things outside social norms…things that would make us unlikable? When Nora went on a rampage (in her head, mind you) in The Woman Upstairs, did you not want to run around the house screaming, “YESSSSS!”? According to the media, though, thoughts like that mean she’s just “unlikable”… someone no one would want as a friend.
I LOVED Nora. Her first paragraphs were some of the most eloquent and concise words on being a middle-aged woman that I have ever read. Did I like her? Not really, but what a character.
Another great unlikable male was the father in David Gilbert’s & Sons. He was dreadful but he was the linchpin of that novel. I loved it.
I think you’re getting at a good distinction here…it’s possible to dislike or disapprove of a character’s thoughts or actions but find them fascinating and essential to the story at the same time.
Do we have to get into Gone Girl? It’s been done so much but it was the first book where I actively disliked both of the protagonists, really did hope they’d kill each other and when the novel ended it made me queasy. But I could not put it down because it was so well-written.
But weren’t they interesting? I loved hating them. I loved trying to guess what horrible thing they would do next and watching them spiral out of control.
I loved the characters in Gone Girl, both because they were interesting and I found them deliciously twisted. Maybe that’s my new bio: “Deliciously twisted.” I’m trying to think of characters that I didn’t like. Maybe Dr. Marc Schlosser in Herman Koch’s Summer House with Swimming Pool, he was twisty but decidedly not delicious.
This kind of goes beyond the interesting aspect and comes down to something we all talk about often- the writing. Good writing makes for interesting characters. If the author has taken the time to make an unlikable protagonist nuanced then I’m much more likely to keep reading. I’ve read some books with ‘villains’ who were so one note they turned me off.
So, that brings us back around to Monika’s need for character development. Sounds like she’s the winner!
Extending this outside of the topic of characters a bit: I’ve also seen people say they didn’t like a book because it was “too depressing” (for example). That kind of thing doesn’t really affect my rating of the book. Does a book have to make the reader feel good in order for it to be “a good book”?
I think that kind of comes back to why we read. Like you said before, I think all of us mix in comfort reads at times, but for some I suppose reading is a complete escape. Is that what pushes people away from “unlikable” characters and “depressing” books?
…and again, I think Shannon’s correct. If someone reads for comfort then I can understand why they might dislike a particularly confronting book—however I have a hard time understanding people who can find no redeeming value in a book simply because it was depressing. Both depressing and unlikable, complex characters are often powerful (when well written, of course) which is just something that even the best written cozy mystery isn’t going to be able to deliver.
I just feel like if you’re looking for a comfort read rather than a confronting read… maybe read the synopsis first?
Why doesn’t it go the same way with television characters. People LOVE to hate characters and love those shows because of the characters. A famous one that comes to mind is JR from Dallas (hello, old lady reference!). People hated that dude but loved watching him.
Why are soap operas so popular? Because of the villains! People don’t tune in to watch some bitch prance around in a field of daisies.
I’ll jump right into old lady land with you, Jennifer! Alexis Colby on Dynasty! Joan Collins was the best. Is it scary that I remembered her name without even having to look it up?
Excellent point about television versus reading. I think that the reason people may be able to enjoy the villains in television or movies is because it’s such a much more passive art form to experience. To read, you must invest something of yourself into that book— for TV and movies, you just sit back and let the pictures and sounds assault you.
What do you think, readers? Does hating a character make you hate a book? What makes a character “unlikable”, and what do we mean by that anyway? Does this all come back to the writing, the reader, or both?
March 30, 2015 at 7:32 am
I can think of a couple characters that I disliked so much that I couldn’t keep reading – it’s not that they were generally “unlikable” or horrible – just that they frustrated me so much that it completely overrode any positive features of the book. Rachel Morgan of The Hollows series is one of them – great world-building and secondary characters, but she was so whiny and helpless and ugh. And the other is the main character of the Shopaholic books – I read the first one and was so annoyed by this woman’s refusal to stop spending money that I couldn’t keep reading. The series was suggested to me as being really great and funny, but I’m just a grump I guess because it wasn’t amusing to me.
I suppose that can translate to “bad writing”, but not necessarily – the authors did a good job in other aspects, and it may be that their main character was written exactly how they wanted. They just rubbed me the wrong way. Otherwise, I actually tend to like the characters that others don’t – Emma in Jane Austen’s book, Cathy and Heathcliff in Wuthering Heights, etc.
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March 30, 2015 at 8:53 am
Cosigned. When I say I didn’t like a book because I hated the characters, I meant something closer to what y’all and Sarah are saying — that they were more frustrating to read about than interesting. I don’t need characters to be people I’d want to be friends with, but I do want them to give me a reason to keep reading about them.
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March 30, 2015 at 9:25 am
“… but I do want them to give me a reason to keep reading about them.”
Yes. This is what it boils down to for me.
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March 30, 2015 at 3:36 pm
Yes to this exactly. I need to be more interested in the character than annoyed by them.
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March 31, 2015 at 3:44 pm
A thousand times yes, to this: “When I say I didn’t like a book because I hated the characters, I meant something closer to what y’all and Sarah are saying — that they were more frustrating to read about than interesting”
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March 31, 2015 at 7:55 pm
YES. It’s often more that I didn’t like them as a reader than that I didn’t like them as human beings. It can be both, but the latter isn’t usually enough to turn my feelings toward the book as a whole.
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March 30, 2015 at 7:43 am
I’m more likely to dislike a character because they are “too good” rather than the other way around. Those characters make my eyes roll. I want to read about real people, people who have the capacity to be good or bad, and whose circumstances pull out one more than the other. I want to see what kinds of choices they make, and try to figure out why they made them.
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March 30, 2015 at 12:15 pm
I’m with you on the “too good” boat and love your point about characters who can go either way depending on the circumstances. I think that’s much more realistic…most of us could be pushed to do things we would never expect depending on the situation we were put in.
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March 31, 2015 at 3:42 pm
I’m so with you! I would much rather read about flawed, realistic characters than ones who are unceasingly “good.”
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March 31, 2015 at 7:52 pm
Just chiming in as another voice of agreement! I also like it when a character’s decisions or actions aren’t predictable based on generic story arcs or stereotypes or the like. When, instead, the choice s/he makes clearly comes out of a unique individual (with a history, quirks, preferences, etc.) in a particular circumstance.
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March 30, 2015 at 8:11 am
I’m with you on the characters having to be interesting…not necessarily likable. I remember that essay from Roxane Gay’s Bad Feminist and totally agree with her that “socially acceptable” characters are generally boring (her quote about “is the character generally alive?” spoke to me). I thought the GG characters were fascinating, but was not that interested in Anna from Hausfrau. However, I found the moms in Big Little Lies and Cutting Teeth to be incredibly tiresome and NOT interesting and it made me hate the book.
And – great point about TV vs. reading…I’ll throw out another love to hate “character”…Scott Disick from Keeping Up with the Kardashians (yep, I watch it – ha!). Although, I actually think Lord Disick makes the entire show!
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March 30, 2015 at 4:36 pm
Sarah, I’m so happy to have you here! I also watch the heinous KUWTK and he is the epitome of unlikable but mesmerizing. An utter train wreck but then there are moments when he’s a relatively normal adult.
I’m probably going to be booted from the Salon for admitting this TV viewing weakness. 😉
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March 30, 2015 at 7:16 pm
I just need to get you and @sarahsaysread:disqus in on RuPaul’s Drag Race if we’re going to watch reality TV. 😀
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April 1, 2015 at 12:02 pm
Happy to be here! And so glad to have a book world partner in the Kardashian/trashy TV shenanigans! I think he can also be hilarious…in a totally douchelord (to quote Khloe) way!
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April 1, 2015 at 12:50 pm
They’re kind of like sorbet between good books- no substance, dissolves easily but leaves me refreshed for the next great read!
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March 31, 2015 at 3:40 pm
I loved Gay’s essay; reading about characters who make the bold decisions that I don’t dare make is refreshing, and it shows me experiences that I haven’t lived — which is kind of the point of reading.
I have to throw Joffrey from Game of Thones into the mix of villains you love to hate! I haven’t read the books, but I have been part of MANY conversations about the horrible things that should happen to TV Joffrey.
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March 30, 2015 at 8:42 am
I know I’ve used “I didn’t like the character(s)” as an admittedly lazy reason for not liking a book, but it’s definitely more complicated than that. Because there are plenty of books I’ve really enjoyed where I didn’t particularly like the characters but found something about them, or something else in the book, to invest in. So when I come away from a book I didn’t enjoy and my first instinct is that I didn’t like it because of the characters… what I’m really saying is that I didn’t care about what happened to them… whether that’s because of poor development or a lackluster plot or some other reason. The characters are just an easy target.
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March 30, 2015 at 7:18 pm
Not caring about the characters can totally be a reason for a DNF for me. I feel you. (Personally: How ya feeling mama?)
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March 30, 2015 at 7:35 pm
(Ugh… sore and swollen and very much ready to move on to the actual “mama” part.)
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March 31, 2015 at 7:48 pm
I think you’ve put your finger on at least one facet of the issue for me, Charleen — one I hadn’t thought about. It’s so hard to read a book where you just don’t care about anyone. In cases like that, I think it’s less that I dislike the characters as people and more that I dislike them as entities in a book. If that makes any sense. Sometimes that’s due to plot, etc, but sometimes they’re poorly drawn to the point that they impact my enjoyment of the book. That’s a different kind of dislike.
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March 30, 2015 at 9:35 am
Great question and discussion! For me, the question is not “Do I like the characters?” but “Do I want to spend time with them?” If there’s something to learn or experience through doing so, then yes.
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March 30, 2015 at 8:14 pm
I agree. I want to feel compelled to spend time with them, too. Ties in perfectly with @cls413:disqus’s comment. I want to care about the character in some way – doesn’t have to be “good.”
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March 30, 2015 at 10:35 am
As you all discuss, all that matters to me is whether a character is well-developed enough for me to want to keep reading about her/him. So whether the character is unlikable but compelling, like Barbara in Zoe Heller’s What Was She Thinking? (Notes on a Scandal in the US), or quiet but deep, like pretty much any character in Kent Haruf’s work, I’ll keep reading. That said, I’ve read some novels where the character development seems to be there on the surface, but it feels as though the character is somehow limited by the author. This is kind of difficult to describe, but happens a lot with short story collections from newly minted MFA students, and I can think of one novel in particular, The Affairs of Others, where everything feels constrained to what the author knows or has experienced. So the character lives in Brooklyn and is/was a magazine editor, and then–oh, look at that–the author is a former magazine editor, who currently lives in…wait for it…Brooklyn.
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March 30, 2015 at 11:42 am
That is so true about the characters in Kent Haruf’s books. Quiet and even curmudgeonly on top but so many layers underneath. I don’t know if I’ve had much experience with new MFA authors but it sounds like I might not want to!
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March 30, 2015 at 11:34 am
There seems to be a real agreement here that, as readers, we don’t mind “unlikeable” characters… but we want excellent character development, as Monika said. What I need is to feel an emotional connection to the character–that can be in a positive or negative way. I need to FEEL what they are feeling, understand what they are thinking and how they are reacting… whether I agree with it or not.
It’s funny–none of the 4 books you pictured was a complete winner for me. But the reasons don’t have anything to do with whether the main character was likeable or not! In fact, I’m not sure I’d say that I found Anna in Hausfrau or Nora in The Woman Upstairs to be unlikeable, exactly. They are complicated, well-realized characters….not women I’d like to be, certainly, but women I can understand. My problems with both novels had more to do with other issues.
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March 30, 2015 at 4:33 pm
Leila, we’re in agreement on character development being more important than likability but you mentioned none of the 4 books picked being winners for you. I’m interested in anything you’ve read recently where those two points did intersect.
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March 30, 2015 at 11:45 am
Something else to throw out there–are complicated female characters too often labeled as “unlikeable” by the media and the public? More often than complicated male characters? I have to say I think there’s evidence of that, in the reactions to characters in movies & TV, as well as in fiction.
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March 30, 2015 at 11:59 am
This is something we wanted to bring up, too, and plan to talk about more with We Should All Be Feminists! I definitely think so…Just linked to today’s Tournament of Books decision, which is a perfect example.
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March 30, 2015 at 2:48 pm
I completely agree with you. It’s almost like media likes to dislike and throw shade at female characters who deviate from “convention,” yet all the dudes can run around and do whatever they want. And – you know – boys will be boys, after all.
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March 30, 2015 at 7:15 pm
I love that you just used the term ‘throw shade’ …. thanks to RuPaul I always relate that term to drag queens. 🙂
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March 31, 2015 at 3:09 pm
I just work with a lot of teenagers, and they like to say it. Somethings things just stick.
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March 30, 2015 at 5:03 pm
This is exactly what I was thinking too. I went into The Woman Upstairs hearing over and over how unlikeable Nora was, and while reading I decided, she’s not unlikeable, she just sort of a sad character. I felt bad for her a lot of the time. The same with Anna, sad and depressed. Which are not the same as unlikeable. I can handle unlikeable, Amy from GG is facinating, what I can’t stand is when I just don’t care. There have been a few of those over the years, where I couldn’t care less what happens to the character. Live, die, grow as a person, once I don’t care, you’ve lost me. (these are also the books I tend to DNF)
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March 30, 2015 at 7:13 pm
Oh! Such a great point Leila! Also something I hadn’t even considered. I’d really be interested in a study on this — though who we will get to fund it, I have no idea. Maybe Book Riot?
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March 30, 2015 at 11:58 am
So, what do you think about this zinger in the Tournament of Books today? Re: An Untamed State: “The protagonist, Mireille, is an entitled lawyer from a wealthy Haitian family, arrogant and unlovable, with a puzzling habit of running away so that her fiancé has to go in search of her. For no reason. Her complete absence of introspection only increases throughout the novel as she is kidnapped, raped, and tortured for 12 days, leaving her mangled and insane. Then, because she is insane, she runs away some more. ” http://www.themorningnews.org/tob/2015/zombie-round-all-the-light-we-cannot-see-v-an-untamed-state.php
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March 30, 2015 at 12:50 pm
Ugh. I absolutely hate that description of both the novel and the character! In fact, before you posted this, I was just thinking that “An Untamed State” was a perfect example of a novel that I loved even though I found the main character, at times, unlikeable. That was actually part of Gay’s genius, I thought–that I had immense and overwhelming empathy for a woman who was complicated, sometimes difficult, and who made choices I don’t think I would have made. I didn’t always “like” Mireille, but that was utterly beside the point…. I felt deeply connected to her and desperately wanted her to be ok.
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March 30, 2015 at 2:57 pm
I had a rage black out when reading ToB today. It was like he was saying – oh ladies, get over it already and quit talking about how you were raped, or how you are scared to be raped. He so clearly didn’t want to read the book from the start, and seemed to lose the overall message/intent of the story. I will say this book wasn’t perfect for me, but is still an extremely important read. Also a male in the comments section made the statement (after praising the judges ruling/comments) along the lines of “yeah, men could be better” which also infuriated me to no end. It felt such a passive thing to say, and like “I feel like I should insert something comforting to all the mad women folk here.” Keep your sad, little, pacifying statements, I don’t want to hear them. Ok, end rant – whew!
In the context of unlikable characters, I definitely fell into the category of not liking Mireille, and kind of shook my head at a lot of her decisions. HOWEVER, she was extremely well developed and immensely interesting, therefore I still found her and her experiences compelling. Additionally, I had intense empathy for her, despite not really liking her at all, which is mad props for Roxane Gay.
On Twitter, Gay said: “Can I admit something tho? Miri isn’t Unlikable to me. I didn’t write her to be Unlikable. She is just human. I adore her.” I find this incredibly interesting. Gay just wants to write REAL characters, and so it seems, didn’t write Mireille being unlikable purposefully, or as some kind of plot trick.
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March 30, 2015 at 3:05 pm
That was something, wasn’t it? Today’s review of the book was unlike any other preview I’ve read of it. The judges summed up my reaction after reading this pretty well. I am not sure how you can read a book and react with so little emotion. In any case, I want to read An Untamed State more now than before today’s review.
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March 30, 2015 at 3:38 pm
This drove me nuts. I can’t believe the things he said about An Untamed State, and Mireille in particular. She wasn’t my favorite character, but she was human and flawed, and horrible things happened to her that definitely make you feel for her. Why is this dude so focused on her running? Like running to relieve tension isn’t a thing plenty of people do?
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March 30, 2015 at 3:44 pm
Right? And this: “Her complete absence of introspection only increases throughout the novel…” just has me convinced he didn’t read the second half. Flat out.
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March 30, 2015 at 7:10 pm
RAAAAWRRRRR. I know, I’m really adding to this discussion in meaningful ways.
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March 30, 2015 at 7:10 pm
I CAN’T EVEN SPEAK ON THIS RIGHT NOW.
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March 30, 2015 at 2:20 pm
I think it depends on the writing. I actually enjoyed reading Red Rising by Pierce Brown but the main character Darrow had the personality of a sack of potatoes. So boring and I didn’t care for him. In fact the secondary character were more interesting and made the read enjoyable.
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March 30, 2015 at 7:10 pm
That’s something that I really hadn’t considered – but I’m sure that there are at least a few books where the secondary characters carried it for me… I have to go ponder what they are now. 🙂
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March 30, 2015 at 3:01 pm
I am willing and can tolerate a lot, as long as I can understand where a character is coming from. I might not be able to relate or like what the character is doing or how it is done, but I can deal with it. Depending on my mood, I might not enjoy a difficult character as much, but I will not dismiss a book because of that. To me, an unlikeable character is one who acts out of character, which has more to do with an author’s poor character development than with the character itself.
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March 30, 2015 at 7:09 pm
YES! Mood has so much to do with it for me, which may have more to do with how forgiving I am of the author’s lack of character development than anything else.
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March 31, 2015 at 8:08 pm
Ooh, good point. Yes, some of my favorite characters are those who remain true to themselves — not in the way we’d mean it when talking about another real-life human being, but in terms of who they’re written to be, what we know of them, what’s happened to them, etc. There are few things more disappointing to me in reading than getting really invested in a character only to have them “go off the rails,” if you will. It’s like the thread connecting me to them suddenly snaps.
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March 30, 2015 at 3:29 pm
The only book I didn’t like because I didn’t like the characters was Gone With The Wind. I didn’t like or sympathize with Scarlett at all, and most of the time just didn’t care about what happened to her because I thought she was a terrible person who deserved what she got.
Compare this to The Girl on the Train. I didn’t necessarily *like* Rachel, but I cared about her because I felt she was sympathetic. She was flawed, certainly. But that’s what made her interesting.
Finally, with Gone Girl, it was easy to hate both Nick and Amy, but—like you guys said—they were interesting and it was exciting to imagine what psychotic thing they’d do next. Compared to Scarlett, who I just plain old didn’t like and didn’t care about.
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March 30, 2015 at 7:08 pm
Say it isn’t so! 🙂 I loved Scarlett because she was such a badass for that time period. True, a total bitch (and admittedly it’s been years since I read it) but I always felt like she was in ‘a girl’s gotta do what a girl’s gotta do’ mode.
See, I was the opposite with The Girl on the Train… I really just didn’t care there was nothing compelling about any of the characters to me… which is odd because I ripped through that book in two or three days….
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March 30, 2015 at 5:41 pm
Awesome discussion, ladies! I agree with a lot of what has been said by you all and the commenters…it’s really about character development, so then it makes me wonder- is it really the character or the writing?
When I read, I tend to look at these characters through a therapist’s lens. So, if the character is supposed to be a narcissistic sociopath, well then, I want that person to be bat crazy. It’s when the ending doesn’t suit the storyline or there isn’t a “silver lining” at the end. Gone Girl…hated it. Really, the husband is so smart to figure her out, gets a top notch attorney who also has no idea what to do, and a detective that is clueless…really?!? I’m supposed to buy that? An ending like War of the Roses would have been more suitable….just saying 😉
I love complex characters and if I don’t “like them”, or “love them”, then I always see that as a sign that the author did the job right. Why? Because it motivated me to feel something towards a character that I truly only know through the POV of the author.
Loving this blog!
xx
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March 30, 2015 at 7:05 pm
Oo! Are you a therapist? That makes for a very interesting perspective (as I know it’s difficult to divorce yourself from real life knowledge and character development/plotline/etc.)
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March 30, 2015 at 7:15 pm
I am a therapist! Love the pun (intentional or not): “divorce”! LOL! Actually, reading is my escape and I’m quite good at separating my own reality from that of a book. However, and you will understand as an attorney, it can be quite a let down when the actions of a character ,or the consequences, aren’t realistic. Then, it just means the author didn’t do extensive research or received some wrong info along the way 😉
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March 30, 2015 at 7:21 pm
Oh totally! I didn’t know that about you… and as much as I hate to admit it ‘divorce’ was totally unintentional. 🙂
…but YES. I have the same problem as an attorney – but because we’re not trained as much in human behavior, unless it’s a legal thing, it’s probably easier for me to look past it.
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March 30, 2015 at 5:51 pm
Hmmm. I’ve read several characters I didn’t like because of their actions, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that I didn’t like the book. A lot more than just a character goes into my like or dislike of a book. However, if the character development isn’t there, the chance is strong that I won’t connect and therefore not like the book. It’s an iffy response, but so many facets go into why I do or do not like a book, and a character is only one of many of those facets.
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March 30, 2015 at 7:40 pm
I’m a person who needs some great writing to enjoy a story, so I hear where you’re coming from!
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March 30, 2015 at 7:04 pm
I’ve already had my initial say in the post – but I want to say how thrilled I am to see so many people here. 🙂
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March 30, 2015 at 7:39 pm
Agreed ❤
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March 30, 2015 at 10:37 pm
Usually my liking or not liking a book has more to do with the writing itself than any one character. But, I do tend to like an “unlikable” character. Are they unflinchingly honest? Do they push boundries? Are they crazy? Sign me up.
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April 1, 2015 at 8:45 am
Oh, I love the qualification that they be honest and push boundaries!
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April 1, 2015 at 10:40 am
Honesty isn’t always necessary. I do enjoy an unreliable narrator! And Amy in Gone Girl…it was her psychotic lies that made me love to hate her. But, I like the “unlikeable” characters that are unapologeticly who they are…honest, raw, in your face with who they are…good or bad.
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March 31, 2015 at 1:23 pm
This is complicated. I didn’t like the characters in Gone Girl but loved the wild ride. But ask me about The Dinner and I can recognize the great writing, pacing and the intensity but I hated that book because I didn’t like the way it made me feel. OK, I gave it a 3/5. I can think of other books that I let my emotional reaction cloud the book’s merits. I do usually like complicated ‘deep’ books but sometimes they hit too close to home and I can’t say what exactly what the provoking factor but characters are easy to blame.
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March 31, 2015 at 2:19 pm
It’s hard to (and I’m not sure we want to completely) separate our emotional reactions to a book from the merit of the book itself. I feel you on that struggle!
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March 31, 2015 at 8:03 pm
Interesting point. I have definitely read books that I might otherwise have liked quite a bit that, for whatever personal (often unidentifiable) reason, leave me in an unexpected place. One that comes to mind is The Time Traveler’s Wife. I read it at a tough time in my life, and the ending — which normally might have been fine — left me feeling so hollow and sad that I can’t imagine ever returning to the book.
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March 31, 2015 at 3:36 pm
I’m reminded of the Claire Messud interview about unlikeable characters. She says that what matters to her is not “is this character a potential friend for me?” but “is the character alive?” I think that also sums up how I feel.
I like reading about characters who remind me that humans are flawed and complex. Characters who are happy, nice, and always have the perfect quip just don’t feel real to me; they’re like the Pinterest version of people — perfectly coiffed, beautifully styled, and with spotless trendy homes. And I spend plenty of time scrolling through Pinterst. But when it comes to reading, I prefer to see that grit that lurks beneath the surface.
I was listening to a podcast recently (of course, I can’t remember which one), and they mentioned a second Claire Messud interview, in which she combats the “unlikeable” accusations against Nora by saying that the people Nora meets in her everyday life would all say she’s very nice. It’s only because we see her real thoughts, rather than the shiny exterior, that readers don’t like her. We also see this with Anna in Hausfrau; on the outside, she has the perfect life: a kind husband, a nice house in a beautiful European city, plenty of money — but her interior life is much more difficult. Isn’t that true of all of us to some extent? Most people are probably darker on the inside than they display to the world, and I like fiction that acknowledges this truth.
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April 1, 2015 at 8:50 am
I think someone mentioned something similar in the Hausfrau discussion and thought it was very true, that we probably wouldn’t have seen Anna as unlikable if we met in her in German class, but maybe just sad or lonely.
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March 31, 2015 at 8:20 pm
I’ve gone through and replied to several comments here that I agree with, so I won’t repeat all that. But I think for me, a key piece of the puzzle is: Is there a reason?
A so-called unlikable character has to have a purpose, for me. They can be at least as necessary to a good read as a likable character. But if there isn’t a story or character arc or something supporting the way they are, then I don’t feel like they have a place in the book. (At least, not if they’re anything close to a main character.) But then, I think that’s true of all semi-important and important characters.
Of course, not every book is about characters. Sometimes it’s the plot that keeps me turning pages, or the writing, or something I can’t quite put my finger on. Without good characters, the book probably won’t make it to the top of my favorites list, but I won’t necessarily hate it.
Bottom line: Any really good character should be nuanced, real, and intriguing. And while characters can certainly make or break a book, it’s not usually because I dislike them as people, and it’s not the only factor in determining my feelings toward a book.
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March 31, 2015 at 9:24 pm
I think the two are definitely mutually exclusive. I know people who hated Gone Girl specifically because of the characters, but to me, that is exactly the point. Just because a character is unlikable does not make for a bad novel. It can make a bad novel more excruciating, but I agree with Jennifer that I do not understand the argument that one cannot like a book specifically because one does not like the characters.
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April 1, 2015 at 8:40 am
I totally agree on it being the point of Gone Girl…the reading experience wouldn’t be anywhere near as exciting if the characters were both easy to like.
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April 1, 2015 at 9:13 am
I was reading an article over at Vulture yesterday that brought up the attitude of writers toward their characters, and how much of a difference that can make. I don’t think it even needs to be affection, necessarily, but either affection or interest on the part of the author carries through for me. To take a really obvious example: When you read the Harry Potter books, JK Rowling’s affection for and interest in those characters is absolutely palpable, and you feel it’s worthwhile to become invested in them as humans, even when they’re very, very flawed.
Whereas, for instance, as I’m reading Villette this month, I don’t get the sense that Charlotte Bronte was particularly interested in or fond of any of her characters. And it makes it hard for me to be, either.
(This is the Vulture article btw: http://www.vulture.com/2015/03/younger-weird-loners-review.html)
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April 2, 2015 at 8:03 am
This is an insightful perspective, thanks for sharing the article link! I hadn’t thought of it from that angle, to be honest.
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April 1, 2015 at 9:25 am
I find the way people deal with “unlikable” characters is how people deal with people in real life. It’s easy to disregard what we feel to be alien to us. But in the process, we’re cutting ourselves off from new perspectives and experiences. There are plenty of characters I want to kick in the taco, but I don’t like when people write off the characters as “bad” simply because you don’t like them as people. I always find that a character that can make me SEETHE with anger is good writing. Anyone can write a character that’s all sunshine, light and goodness. It takes a good author to write a character that makes you see red for the next week.
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April 1, 2015 at 2:22 pm
I want to like this comment over and over again.
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April 2, 2015 at 6:27 pm
Thought everyone was still talking Hausfrau so I stayed away 😉 Interesting points from everyone so I won’t say anything that hasn’t been said. If I hated every book that had a character that I hated, I don’t think I’d be reading very much. How dull. Anyway, I had an author guest post on this very same topic and thought I’d share here: http://guiltlessreading.blogspot.ca/2012/09/guest-post-giveaway-sadie-s-forsythe-on.html
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April 4, 2015 at 7:43 am
In most cases I don’t hate characters and I definitely don’t hate books merely because of unlikable characters. I just begin reading assuming that each character is needed in order to develop the plot. Even the characters who are evil or unlikable have a purpose in the story. It’s the purpose of the story that matters to me and, of course, the quality of the writing.
If the character development of the characters is done poorly then I dislike the book. I want the author to make me dislike the character I should dislike and love the characters I should love. Sometimes that’s not who you expect them to be! If I end up not loving the protagonist then I have to wonder if that’s what the author intended and why.
And I’m with you April–more confronting than comforting 🙂 I want to be challenged. Also, I love a depressing book as much as any rainbows and butterflies book. It’s the lesson of the novel that’s important. What truth is the author communicating that is so real that it’s depressing? If that truth is something I need to hear then I love the book no matter what I think of the individual characters.
Thanks for starting The Socratic Salon! This is such a cool idea:)
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April 4, 2015 at 7:38 pm
We’re totally going to have a discussion about confronting reads…it sounds like they do the trick for many of us 😉 So glad you found us – hope you’ll keep coming by!
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