If we learned anything from last week’s discussion, we know we can’t love every book. So, how do we know if the problem is the book or the author? What happens after you’ve been burned? Are you willing to try an author again?
I think this really comes down to why and how much I disliked the author’s previous work. If I loved the premise, but not the execution or thought the book fell apart toward the end, I’ll likely give the author another shot. But if I flat out thought the writing was bad or was really offended by something, I’d be hesitant.
This topic makes me think of Caitlin Moran. I tried to read How To Be a Woman. I tried, and failed. I didn’t like it. I really didn’t like it. When her next book, How to Build a Girl, came out last year I didn’t consider reading it. It was easy for me to skip because I’d been burned by her before. But now, everyone is raving about How to Build a Girl and even though I’m starting to feel quite out of the loop the chances are slim that I’ll end up reading it.
I wish I could say that I could be swayed to try an author again after I’ve been disappointed by them. But, even though I’m curious, I don’t feel a burning desire to get my hands on Moran’s work. I feel a bit ambiguous about her. Shrug.
Jennifer, I was the same way with Moran. I didn’t get halfway through How to Be a Woman. The only reason I approached How to Build a Girl was because it’s fiction and I thought maybe she would be different—and she was. I loved it. I’d never read her nonfiction again, but I will pick up her next novel.
Honestly, even since beginning blogging, this hasn’t been an issue I’ve really had. I mean, I can think of a few memoirs that I’ve read with authors I’ll never go back to again, or apologetics, but that’s more of a difference in philosophy and life perspective rather than a commentary on the writing itself. For me the issue has less to do with an author (especially a prolific author) and more to do with what subject matter (fiction or non-fiction) that the author chooses to write about.
What if you absolutely hated author’s book A, but everyone seems to be raving about book B? Is that enough to sway you?
This is where I am with Hanya Yanagihara. The People in the Trees was a DNF for me because I couldn’t get into the writing style at all, even though the premise sounded amazing. And now, A Little Life… what to do?!
Boy, I’m going to step in here but the first Rainbow Rowell I read was Landline and I hated it. Sorry, flat out hated it. I thought I was just one of those people who did not get her books but then I decided to try Eleanor & Park I thought it was beautiful. In this instance, I chalked it up to feeling as if she’s great at YA but adult…not so much. Don’t hate.
I’m stuck in the situation where I’ve been less than impressed with new titles by well-loved authors I’m reading for the first time, like Michel Faber, which leaves me a little nervous about going back to read their more popular earlier work.
Just to mess with everyone’s head: what about when you love an established author’s work but their most recent novels disappoint- do you try them again or move on?
This is an especially personal question for me because I was a huge John Irving fan. The World According to Garp and A Prayer for Owen Meany are on my all-time favorites list but by the time he got to the late 90’s and A Widow for One Year I just didn’t enjoy his writing anymore. And it hasn’t changed. I haven’t read his last three books because I look at the subject and think ‘no’.
Since you used the example of John Irving I’ll weigh in. I totally agree that some of his books in recent years have been abject failures (though I must recommend you read In One Person, but I think that’s another discussion). There are three authors who’s work that I pick up with no questions asked. That’s Stephen King (of course), Margaret Atwood, and John Irving. It may take me time to get to the books—but if I don’t know something’s coming out and I pass it in a bookstore—I just pick it up without even reading the jacket.
But, for other authors it all depends on subject matter of future books. For example, the first thing I read by Cormac McCarthy was The Road, which I loved, but his next most famous books are ‘The Border Trilogy’ which include All the Pretty Horses and No Country for Old Men, I don’t particularly care for ‘westerns’ … so I’ve been very slow in picking these up.
Sometimes I do wonder if it’s me that’s changed or an author. I know I went through a big Chuck Palahniuk streak in college, but haven’t enjoyed (or even picked up) one of his books in years. I’m still not sure if it’s a decline in his work or a shift in my interest.
There are authors who could burn me a time or two and I would still crawl back for more (King and Irving to name a couple). That’s probably because I loved their first offerings so very much. They might lose their way, they might put out a few books that don’t live up to my expectations. But you know what? I’ll always have hopes that they will return to their former glory, and there I’ll be, first in line to see it happen.
That’s a good point. I’m definitely more likely to try again if I’ve already read and enjoyed an author’s previous work. New-to-me authors get far less slack. First impressions become more important when there are so many other books I want to read.
What do you think, readers? What happens after you’ve been burned? Can an author bounce back from a bad book? What about those you’ve loved for a long time—do they get more leeway?
April 19, 2015 at 9:34 pm
Honestly, I don’t know if I have ever bothered to read another novel by an author that was a dud for me. It isn’t that I refuse to do it, but more that there are other books I want to read. Why take my chances on a book from an author with whom I have had a bad experience when there are so many others out there that demand my attention? This is one way for me to limit my TBR pile.
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April 20, 2015 at 1:22 pm
I’m pretty much with you, Michelle. So many other books in the sea, so to speak. However, like Catherine, I can be turned off by an author I previously liked, John Irving being a very good example. My wife and I both loved his earlier works, but his later work just doesn’t resonate with us. Personally with him, I think it was hard to top A Prayer for Owen Meany.
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April 20, 2015 at 4:17 pm
I’m curious, Michelle, do you feel the same way about an author whose work you’ve liked but then writes something you don’t? Will you go back or is it one strike you’re out?
I agree about there being so much out there that it can be easy to let go of an author.
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April 21, 2015 at 10:24 pm
That’s a good question. If it is a beloved author, I will continue to read his or her works. That is because I know what the author is capable of writing, so I know that while one may be a dud, the next book may be the best one yet. It is much easier to let go of a new or new-to-me author because s/he is unproven.
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April 19, 2015 at 9:43 pm
I usually would give it another go… my example for this is Donna Tartt. I REALLY disliked “The Goldfinch,” but can see why others do like it (I guess). And obviously the woman has talent, so I’m going to give “The Secret History” a chance sometime later this year. I will go into it with a bit of hesitation, more so than if I had never read “The Goldfinch,” but still wiling to give it a shot.
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April 20, 2015 at 12:56 pm
Ohhh The Goldfinch is a great example. We read it in my book club, and most (not all) of us were either meh about it or didn’t like it, but everyone agreed that her writing was phenomenal and we’d want to read her again.
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April 20, 2015 at 10:04 pm
That’s interesting that the majority were meh or anti because I often feel like “Katie, party of one” in regards to my feelings on The Goldfinch.
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April 20, 2015 at 11:04 pm
I think we had one person in the group who 100% loved it. I had mixed feelings. Liked it overall, was in love with her way with words, and then all over the place otherwise. 😉
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April 20, 2015 at 4:34 am
There are certain authors, like Margaret Atwood that had such an impact on me when I first read them that I will forgive them almost anything. Like one of the comments above, I will pick up and read their books without thinking. I will even re-read books that don’t hit me right the first time, giving them a second chance. Where I’m new to an author and their book is just o.k. I won’t often go back. In between are books that were good but didn’t stick with me. These authors I tend to read for a while but will move away from their books without thinking much about it unless something clicks, like a character in a series.
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April 20, 2015 at 3:02 pm
Agreed on Atwood getting a free pass from me, too, though she’s never really needed it! And her backlist is MASSIVE.
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April 20, 2015 at 4:15 pm
It’s funny about Atwood because her earlier books were such an influence on me (Cat’s Eye) but the futuristic stuff (not including Handmaid) didn’t pique my interest. Maybe it’s time for a revisit!
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April 20, 2015 at 9:22 am
I tend to want to give authors another chance because it’s nearly impossible to hit it out of the park every single time, but I do agree with Monica about new-to-me authors — if I don’t get hooked quickly, I’ll usually move on to something else and maybe return to the author another time. I’ve definitely been burned by a couple of authors/books that everyone else seems to love. I haven’t been able to pick up The Goldfinch because I felt so “meh” about The Secret History. And I know how everyone feels about A Little Life, but I was kind of underwhelmed by it (::ducks head::) and probably won’t pick up The People in the Trees.
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April 20, 2015 at 3:00 pm
I think you’re right when you say “it’s nearly impossible to hit it out of the park every single time”, and I feel like maybe I give authors with a big backlist a little more wiggle room.
You aren’t alone in your feelings on A Little Life…one of us (not me!) is pretty firm in that position as we’re heading into our discussion.
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April 20, 2015 at 3:02 pm
Haha, I know you loved it! In fact, most people I know loved it, which had me really excited to read it. I appreciate the breadth of the story and the writing, but I spent most of the time wondering why I should care about any of these characters and never felt like I got a really good picture of any of them, plus Jude started to annoy the crap out of me after a while.
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April 20, 2015 at 9:35 am
I will usually give an author another chance if it was an issue that I had with the plot of the book, not the writing style. If I can’t get past the writing (ex. Fifty Shades or Twilight) I will not pick up another book. I didn’t like the latest by Emily Giffin, but since it was more due to subject than writing, I will likely read more from this author. Catherine…..you should try Attachments by Rowell. This was her other adult novel and my favorite book from her (and I also disliked Landline).
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April 20, 2015 at 9:57 am
Yes! Attachments is my favorite Rainbow Rowell, too, which is why Landline was so surprising to me — I knew she could write adult books as well as she writes YA, so to have Landline be so disappointing was…well…disappointing. 😉
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April 20, 2015 at 9:46 pm
I liked Landline, but I think it’s her worst book out of all of them. I LOVED Attachments, so I concur with above 🙂
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April 21, 2015 at 4:41 pm
Ohhh… that’s a good point about Twilight. I read 100 pages and was done forever with what’s her name. 😀
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April 20, 2015 at 10:32 am
Great convo! For me, I highly depend on reviews – sometimes professional, but mostly from peers in the book blogging world. If someone says “don’t worry if you didn’t like X, here’s why Y is so much better,” – I’ll usually be ok with giving an author another shot.
I’ve racked my brain trying to think of examples of when I’ve hated one book but loved others by an author, but can only think of one example: Charles Dickens. I had to read A Tale of Two Cities in high school, and hated it. (Not just because I had to read it for school – I’ve never had the problem of hating books that are required reading – I’ve loved a lot of what I’ve read for school.) Years later I was finally persuaded to give him another try (from Nick Hornby, via his Believe column). David Copperfield became one of my favorite books of all time. I also completely love Great Expectations. (It kind of makes me want to go back and read A Tale of Two Cities as an adult and see if it’s as bad as I remember from age 17. But I kind of think it is – my mom says so too. 😀 )
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April 20, 2015 at 12:16 pm
I’ve tried so hard to read and like Dickens, but ever since I read Hard Times for class (and I, too, rarely hated books that were required reading), I haven’t been able to do it. Although the only other book I’ve tried is A Tale of Two Cities, so maybe if I pick up Great Expectations…
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April 20, 2015 at 2:27 pm
It’s just super bad in the first half. Get through that and the second have in incredible! I promise!
It’s one of the few books that I really did HATE and then LOVE.
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April 20, 2015 at 4:00 pm
This is where I’m at too. Even with a book I didn’t love the first time I tried it, I’ll often be willing to try it again if book bloggers (especially book bloggers I follow regularly and trust their taste) keep insisting that it’s awesome. I began We Have Always Lived in the Castle and haaaaated it in 2007 or so, but when I tried it again at the behest of various bloggers, I loved it, and I’ve since loved the two other Shirley Jackson novels I’ve tired.
Having a policy where you’re willing to give authors another try has definitely led to some duds for me — Michael Chabon and I just aren’t meant to be — but it’s brought me some awesome books too. Holly Black is an example! Hated Tithe, loved The Coldest Girl in Coldtown. Salman Rushdie’s another one — I’ve absolutely adored some of his books, while others have been total misses. But I certainly have enough success stories that it’s worth it to me to keep giving authors another try, when reading friends tell me to.
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April 20, 2015 at 9:20 pm
This brings up the issue of timing. There have probably been times that I’ve read something at the wrong time for me. Then the rest of their books are poisoned. That’s unfortunate. It’s great that you gave Jackson another try and loved it. I might need to work on opening my mind a bit more.
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April 20, 2015 at 10:03 pm
Timing is such a huge thing for me. I absolutely guarantee there are books that I would have like had I read them at a different time. And vice versa. I’ve gotten better at predicting and interpreting my moods to avoid these things 🙂
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April 20, 2015 at 12:56 pm
Oh gosh – this whole conversation leads me to Liane Moriarty. So many people love her stuff and I gave her 3 tries before swearing her off forever. She has pervasive mommy politics in the background of all 3 of her books that I’ve read and I find it painful. So, I guess in her case she is somewhat formulaic and tends to write in similar settings…so I’m not likely to give someone like that a ton of chances.
Another one is Ian McEwan…I tried him twice and found him mediocre relative to the hype he gets, so will probably not pick him up again. But, I could be convinced since Atonement wasn’t one of his books that I read.
But, John Irving is an interesting one. He has been hit and miss for me, but the books of his that I loved (Owen Meany, Garp), I loved so much that it makes up for his misses (Until I Find Her). And, April, I really liked In One Person too.
So, I guess what I’m saying is whether I give an author multiple shots really depends on the situation.
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April 20, 2015 at 1:59 pm
Sarah, I am with you on Moriarty! I have read three and won’t be going back. They were okay, but too many other really, really good books out there to invest time in another that will be just…okay, again. I loved Garp, Cider House Rules, but gave away In One Person after 75 pages. It’s so hard not to give certain authors “shots”. Like McEwan. He always gets a pass from me since On Chesil Beach. I’ve been staring at The Children Act for quite some time, and haven’t picked it up so that is saying something.
Oh, I do know who! I am done, done, done with Jojo Moyes.
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April 20, 2015 at 6:27 pm
I haven’t tried On Chesil Beach! I loved Me Before You, but tried Moyes’ The Last Letter from Your Lover and thought it was mediocre. So, I haven’t picked up another Moyes since.
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April 20, 2015 at 2:07 pm
Yes! Moriarty, I read one and didn’t enjoy, then my book club picked her newest and I tried again. And I’m officially done. McEwan also, I have only read Atonement and didn’t like it and have shied away from him ever since. I figure if I didn’t love his ‘greatest’ book, how much hope do his others hold for me.
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April 20, 2015 at 6:26 pm
That’s the one thing keeping the door a tiny bit cracked for McEwan. I haven’t yet tried his “best” (as deemed by many people), so am I judging him on 2 of his weaker books? I read Sweet Tooth and The Children Act. But, in reality, I don’t really seeing myself going for Atonement b/c there are so many other great books out there to try instead 🙂
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April 20, 2015 at 4:07 pm
For me, with Irving, it was not my situation but his. He started to feel one note in that the majority of his books were about teenage boys and their sexuality. I’m not interested, especially in scene after scene about masturbating. And even beyond that, entire novels based on sexuality. I’m not a prude but it’s not a journey I need to go through again and again where only the scenery changes.
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April 20, 2015 at 6:24 pm
I can see that. I certainly remember feeling the similarity of themes in Until I Find Her (which I just found weird) and In One Person. But, I loved his writing in In One Person and tend to love books set in schools.
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April 20, 2015 at 5:32 pm
Oh I really did not like Atonement and that’s the only one of his that I have read. It took me two tries to finally finish it and I was like “that’s it?!” I keep thinking maybe I should read Amsterdam or The Children’s Act and then I think “mmm maybe not?” Perhaps if his books fell in my lap somehow, I would give them a shot?
Liane Moriarty I LOVE! I’ve only read Big Little Lies and I LOVED the mommy politics. But maybe, since I have no kids and don’t have to live that life, it is more fun to read for me? It’s like a whole other world to experience and be horrified by.
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April 20, 2015 at 6:23 pm
I was totally underwhelmed by The Children Act…that’s the one that caused me to pretty mud swear him off. I would bother with it 🙂
Haha! I can see how all the mommy politics would be funny to someone not actually living it. I do have young children and run far, far away (in real life) from the types of moms that permeate her books. So, reading about them was just tiresome. Shows you how people’s personal experiences can really affect their taste in books!
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April 21, 2015 at 3:44 pm
I can’t decide if that’s making me want to read it more or less now!
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April 22, 2015 at 10:18 pm
The Children Act did not do much for me. Atonement is my gold standard for McEwan’s books! (and I have never read any of Liane Moriarty’s books …)
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April 20, 2015 at 9:17 pm
Yes to John Irving. Swoon and sigh and now I want to go read something of his. 😀
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April 20, 2015 at 1:30 pm
My example is Pat Conroy. I had a friend tell me that he is her FAVE author so I tried Great Santini and didn’t get very far into it at all. Thoroughly disappointed my friend so I am toying with an attempt of The Prince of Tides instead.
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April 20, 2015 at 4:02 pm
I completely agree about Pat Conroy! I did not even finish the Great Santini but Prince of Tides is one of my favorites. For me, it was probably the subject of Santini- I just could not relate but his prose is so evocative of a time and place.
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April 20, 2015 at 6:20 pm
Conroy is one of my all-time favorite authors!! And – Great Santini (my dad exhibited similar tendencies, so maybe that’s why I was drawn to it…he sort of nailed that type of person) Lords of Discipline are 2 of my favorites…Prince of Tides was a little less impressive for me, though I did really like it.
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April 20, 2015 at 6:21 pm
Good to know! Thanks
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April 20, 2015 at 1:58 pm
Like Monika said, I’m much harder on new to me authors than authors I have read and loved before. These first time for me authors have no other works in my heart to reassure me that this is a one off bad book. My example is Meg Wolizer. I read The Ten-Year Nap years ago, and hated it. Enough that I swore I would never read a book by her again. Then there was all this love for The Interestings. I was torn. But not torn enough to read it.
And not to be a stickler April, but No Country for Old Men is not part of the Border Trilogy, its a stand alone. Very good, as is All the Pretty Horses, but I’m a McCarthy fan, with The Road actually being my least favourite.
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April 20, 2015 at 2:57 pm
Oh, what can I do to get you to try The Wife?? It’s so short!
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April 20, 2015 at 6:19 pm
I second Shannon on this one – I absolutely loved The Wife. I also loved The Interestings, but might have loved The Wife even more.
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April 20, 2015 at 3:08 pm
OH! I am the same with Meg Wolitzer. Everyone freaked out about The Interestings, but I felt like it was a story that could have been told in half the amount of pages. It made me run far away from the other books on her list.
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April 20, 2015 at 2:56 pm
I think what Shannon said is really important. Where I am in life has a lot to do with how I receive an author or a book. I’d like to think that if my first impression was bad, that I would give them another chance but that’s probably not so. For a long time I was certain that I wouldn’t read anymore Flannery O’Connor but then the Flannery fans started coming out of the woodwork in my world and made me wonder what I had missed. So….I don’t know….. I guess it’s possible that if I didn’t like it once, I might like it five years down the road. We’ll see.
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April 20, 2015 at 5:28 pm
Oh wow. What a topic!
First of all, I don’t know how you did not love Moran’s How to Be a Woman – I could not get enough of this book. That said, I haven’t wanted to read How to Build a Girl because it sounds like she kind of covered it in How To Be a Woman. I’d considered myself a feminist before I read this book but after reading it, I wanted to shout about it from the rooftops.
As for being burned by authors…I don’t have a hard and set rule on this. Some authors, who pump out a book or two a year, I find that I get fatigued by their work, like I never quite get the same feeling that I maybe had when I first read them. I’m specifically thinking of Jodi Picoult in this situation. I LOVED My Sister’s Keeper and Nineteen Minutes. I went to see her read, I bought so many of her books (that I’m in the process of culling) and then I started to find that her work became kind of formulaic. Once you get to a point with an author where you know how the plot is going to unravel, it stops being quite as interesting.
I’m with Monika on new-to-me authors though. First impressions are so important. I’m much more likely to go back to an author that I love if one of their books falls flat than I am to an author where the first attempt I’ve made doesn’t work for me.
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April 20, 2015 at 9:16 pm
I could tell you why I didn’t like How to Be a Woman but that might be for a whole different topic post at a later date, ha ha! (Nothing to do with feminism, just the style of writing.)
Every time I *think* I have a hard and fast rule about reading I end up breaking it. Either I’m a fan of being flexible or I have no willpower 😉
First impressions are important to me too, Eva! That’s probably why I’m not liable to go back to an author unless it’s someone I’ve loved in the past.
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April 21, 2015 at 3:43 pm
Oh I liked the style of writing – I loved that it was loud and obnoxious and…colourful. I learned a lot of new words 😉
I’m a sucker for peer pressure – if people around me are like “oh but you have to read *this* one!”, I probably will. I have a very real “fear of missing out” – I can’t be the only one that hasn’t read this one book (unless it’s something by Margaret ATwood, then I’m good).
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April 21, 2015 at 5:03 pm
Ahhh yes, new words for sure, lol. I thought it was loud for the sake of being loud. I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree. (I do know that I’m in the minority though, ha ha!)
I’d like to say that peer pressure doesn’t get to me but I’d be a big liar! The other girls here in the Salon? They could probably talk me into just about anything. *Just about*
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April 21, 2015 at 5:08 pm
They are a pretty persuasive lot…
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April 21, 2015 at 5:15 pm
Hey Jen, I heard this is great. http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51nA0SzO%2BnL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-v3-big,TopRight,0,-55_SX278_SY278_PIkin4,BottomRight,1,22_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg
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April 20, 2015 at 6:03 pm
Okay. I actually have this question written down in my to-do list as an “Idea for Socratic Salon” post, so I’m excited to find it here! I find it so hard to go to back to an author if the first book I read by them was a “popular” one that I didn’t enjoy, but if I’ve read the author before and they wrote a flop, I’m a little more willing to give them another go.
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April 21, 2015 at 4:45 pm
Great minds, etc. 🙂
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April 20, 2015 at 9:59 pm
Burned once and yet we go back for more, suckers 😉 Seriously, I always think there is a “right” time for any book. There are some books that just don’t click at a certain time. Obviously, every book and every author deserves a second chance in my books.
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April 20, 2015 at 11:02 pm
I feel this way but I’m so scared sometimes!! LOL
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April 21, 2015 at 4:42 pm
I agree completely. In fact I’m reluctant to say that I DNF books — because really I just put them down and wander away, usually to come back later and really enjoy them because of changed circumstances or something else.
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November 13, 2015 at 5:01 pm
I like to think I’m a forgiving person, but at least when it comes to authors who have let me down, I almost never give them another chance (even when I say I will!). I didn’t realize that until just now (as I struggled to come up with examples)! You guys have taught me something about myself. 🙂
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November 13, 2015 at 5:03 pm
PS. I guess it depends on just how much I disliked a book and what I disliked about it.
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